Friday, March 11, 2022

Reader Contribution

 


The following (a little hard to read) table is a fairly up-to-date measure of Russia’s losses in Ukraine compared to those suffered in Afghanistan.  The point is obviously to determine how much pain Russia is now suffering compared to what was enough to cause their Afghan retreat.


Ukraine Ministry of Defense Daily Bulletins.  Soviet and Russian military losses.
 
Afghanistan
Ukraine Cumulative
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Duration
9 years and 9 months
After 2 days
After 3 days
After 4 days
After 5 days
After 6 days
1 week
After 8 days
After 9 days
After 10 days
After 11 days
After 12 days
After 13 days
Personnel Losses
14,453
3,500
4300
5300
5710
5840
9000
9166
10000 +
11000 +
12000
12600
???
Material Losses
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Fighters/Bombers
118
14
27
29
34
34
34*
34*
39
44
46
48
49
Helicopters
333
8
26
29
29
31
31*
37
40
48
68
80
81
Paratrooper Transports
 
1
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
Drones**
 
 
2
 
3
3
3
3
3
4
7
7
7
Tanks
147
102
146
191
198
211
217
251
269
285
290
303
317
Armored Personnel Carriers
1,314
536
706
816
846
862
900
939
945
985
999
1036
1070
Artillery and Mortars
433
16
54
95
172
125
132
155
155
159
168
176
176
Anti AircraftMissile Batteries
 
 
 
4
7
9
11
18
19
21
23
27
28
Cargo/Fuel/other transport
11,369
17
90
351
389
415
434
464
469
507
514
534
542
Naval Craft
 
 
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
2
3
3
3



Thanks Rick R.!


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7 comments:

  1. DEN12:10 PM

    I would not believe any propaganda from either side. The problem is how can you tell which news is fake.

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  2. George W. Potts1:24 PM

    Justified skepticism. You might try to apply it more broadly.

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  3. DEN3:19 PM

    Perfessor, you needn't worry about the breadth of my skepticism. I liberally apply skepticism to everything I see published here and other Fox echo chambers.

    For example, it is simplistic to think that the comparison of militarry losses in Afghanistan 40 years ago under the Soviet Union to those pumped-up numbers reported by Ukrainian Generals would be useful in predicting future actions by the monomaniacal Putin.

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  4. George W. Potts3:49 PM


    How much skepticism have you applied to the Russia voting hoax, the Jan 6 insurrection, the Wuhan wet market, Biden’s closed border, climate change, etc.? Not much Pilgrim. I think we might call it selective skepticism.

    If anything, I would think that Russia’s current population is even less tolerant of losses than their grandparents.

    And, if Russian losses are grossly exaggerated, why have things not gone more smoothly

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  5. DEN10:31 AM

    Not sure what you mean when you say "Russia voting hoax" The Mueller investigation resulted in numerous convictions/guilty-pleas of Trump lackeys and Russian nationals. Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, Stone, Gates... Trump pardoned Flynn, Manafort, Stone and Papadopoulos. That didn't add up to a hoax to my skeptical eyes.

    I would agree with you about present day Russians being less willing to sacrifice, but they are shut-off from facts by Putin's crackdown. Hopefully, leaks will spread. My point was that the situation is not analogous. Thus the comparisons are meaningless. Apples-oranges.

    I assume your final question is rhetorical, since it assumes a logical fallacy. Analogous to "They can put a man on the moon; why can't the make a zipper that doesn't jam?"


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  6. George W. Potts10:48 AM

    None of the convictions were about Russian collusion … process crimes and old money laundering in the Manafort and Cohen cases.

    Au contrarie, I think that, through the fog of war, I can see Putin’s red face … both embarrassment and rage

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  7. George W. Potts11:18 AM

    Headline from Drudge Report: PUTIN SET FOR KYIV DEFEAT?

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